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		<title>By: Weekly Wrap Up March 16-22 &#124; Personal Finance Firewall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Wrap Up March 16-22 &#124; Personal Finance Firewall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about some of her internal struggles that I am sure many of us have had to deal with as well; Debt Elimination VS Increasing Savings. I am still struggling with my decision to save first because I know some of the expenses I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about some of her internal struggles that I am sure many of us have had to deal with as well; Debt Elimination VS Increasing Savings. I am still struggling with my decision to save first because I know some of the expenses I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just replaced our car due to a wreck.  It had a few good years left in it.  So we spent a few weeks looking at new/used, pricing things out, checking reliability, and here are my thoughts:

We have a kid, and getting stuck on the freeway during rush hour is not our idea of fun.  So getting a really old, probably reliable car that might crap out on us in the next few years was not our goal.

A good, reliable car for $2000 will be hard to come by.  You can find them.  I&#039;d stick with Japanese - Honda, Toyota, Nissan.  

A good, reliable used car such as above-mentioned ones were available for about $6000-7000.  These were 2001-2003 models. 

90% of the cars for sale locally (used) are 1998 or earlier.  A little too old for us.  We like to drive our cars for more than 10 years.  I think the economy is forcing people to sell their 3rd or &quot;extra&quot; cars.

Loans if you have decent credit are around 2.5 to 3% from Honda, for a new car.  (We paid cash, bought new, and are hoping our 3 year old can take this car to college.)

As far as $10,000, that&#039;s about what you might end up paying for a dealer-certified used car that&#039;s a few years old.  Not necessarily a bad thing either.  You are paying a premium, but often get some warranty.  Our last (wrecked) car was of this variety.

good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just replaced our car due to a wreck.  It had a few good years left in it.  So we spent a few weeks looking at new/used, pricing things out, checking reliability, and here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>We have a kid, and getting stuck on the freeway during rush hour is not our idea of fun.  So getting a really old, probably reliable car that might crap out on us in the next few years was not our goal.</p>
<p>A good, reliable car for $2000 will be hard to come by.  You can find them.  I&#8217;d stick with Japanese &#8211; Honda, Toyota, Nissan.  </p>
<p>A good, reliable used car such as above-mentioned ones were available for about $6000-7000.  These were 2001-2003 models. </p>
<p>90% of the cars for sale locally (used) are 1998 or earlier.  A little too old for us.  We like to drive our cars for more than 10 years.  I think the economy is forcing people to sell their 3rd or &#8220;extra&#8221; cars.</p>
<p>Loans if you have decent credit are around 2.5 to 3% from Honda, for a new car.  (We paid cash, bought new, and are hoping our 3 year old can take this car to college.)</p>
<p>As far as $10,000, that&#8217;s about what you might end up paying for a dealer-certified used car that&#8217;s a few years old.  Not necessarily a bad thing either.  You are paying a premium, but often get some warranty.  Our last (wrecked) car was of this variety.</p>
<p>good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storm clouds on the horizon:
Pile up cash.
Continue to pay your minimums on your debts.

Being a homeowner, in this economic environment, how many house payments could you make if you were laid off?

Does that put a ball of fear into the pit of your stomach?

It should.

Pile up cash right now, until this economy balances out.  I wouldn&#039;t buy anything optional and repair/maintain what I have.  Holding pattern.

Then when happy days are here again, you have a big pile of cash and can make decisions about where to allocate it--loan, car, savings, a combo platter.

In 2007-08 I was going through cancer treatment and my insurance company was kinda flaky so I was afraid of what kind of bills I&#039;d end up with--or if I&#039;d be in bad shape for long enough to go to LTD (60% of salary).  So I piled up cash.  Being sick and at home a lot reduced my gas, groceries, travel, entertainment spending.  It all went to savings.  I was a savings maniac.  I was on the DR TMMO forums with a signature file status report on my savings balance, and I was tracking for the moment when the balance reached the amount of the student loan balance plus one month of EF.  That moment coincided with completing treatment, working steadily, and the insurance company finally getting their act together and paying the bills.  On March 19, 2009, I pulled the trigger on William D. Ford and kissed that student loan goodbye.  No more debt!  Never again!

I set my ambitious 2008 goal as getting a six or at least a three month FFEF in place, even though it seemed a bit of a stretch.  Well, it happened, though not how I planned.

Now I have a four year FFEF and that is very soothing in this economy.  Half of all American adults believe it&#039;s possible that they&#039;ll be laid off.  My job is secure except for the fact that my workplace is state supported and the state is having an incredible budget shortfall crisis--so really, anything is possible.

When happy days are here again, I will scale back to a six month FFEF and decide what to do with the other three and a half years.  LOL

I vote pile up cash and hunker down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storm clouds on the horizon:<br />
Pile up cash.<br />
Continue to pay your minimums on your debts.</p>
<p>Being a homeowner, in this economic environment, how many house payments could you make if you were laid off?</p>
<p>Does that put a ball of fear into the pit of your stomach?</p>
<p>It should.</p>
<p>Pile up cash right now, until this economy balances out.  I wouldn&#8217;t buy anything optional and repair/maintain what I have.  Holding pattern.</p>
<p>Then when happy days are here again, you have a big pile of cash and can make decisions about where to allocate it&#8211;loan, car, savings, a combo platter.</p>
<p>In 2007-08 I was going through cancer treatment and my insurance company was kinda flaky so I was afraid of what kind of bills I&#8217;d end up with&#8211;or if I&#8217;d be in bad shape for long enough to go to LTD (60% of salary).  So I piled up cash.  Being sick and at home a lot reduced my gas, groceries, travel, entertainment spending.  It all went to savings.  I was a savings maniac.  I was on the DR TMMO forums with a signature file status report on my savings balance, and I was tracking for the moment when the balance reached the amount of the student loan balance plus one month of EF.  That moment coincided with completing treatment, working steadily, and the insurance company finally getting their act together and paying the bills.  On March 19, 2009, I pulled the trigger on William D. Ford and kissed that student loan goodbye.  No more debt!  Never again!</p>
<p>I set my ambitious 2008 goal as getting a six or at least a three month FFEF in place, even though it seemed a bit of a stretch.  Well, it happened, though not how I planned.</p>
<p>Now I have a four year FFEF and that is very soothing in this economy.  Half of all American adults believe it&#8217;s possible that they&#8217;ll be laid off.  My job is secure except for the fact that my workplace is state supported and the state is having an incredible budget shortfall crisis&#8211;so really, anything is possible.</p>
<p>When happy days are here again, I will scale back to a six month FFEF and decide what to do with the other three and a half years.  LOL</p>
<p>I vote pile up cash and hunker down!</p>
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		<title>By: Millionaire Acts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millionaire Acts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would go first for debt elimination before increased savings. The interest should be first compared here. If the interest of the debt is larger than the interest of the increased savings, then definitely debt elimination should go first. In most cases, especially nowadays, I believe that debt interest rates are far greater than interest of increased savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would go first for debt elimination before increased savings. The interest should be first compared here. If the interest of the debt is larger than the interest of the increased savings, then definitely debt elimination should go first. In most cases, especially nowadays, I believe that debt interest rates are far greater than interest of increased savings.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW you can apply for a forbearance (delay repayment) on SLs, but interest accrues. You cannot discharge a SL in bankruptcy, unlike consumer debt.
For you, PaidTwice, the ultimate issue may be how secure your family&#039;s source of income is. If there were any chance of losing NECESSARY income, I wouldn&#039;t even consider accelerating the paydown of the SL as (1) that $ is GONE forever, and (2) as others have said-worse case scenario- you can apply for a forbearance until the whole financial scene stabilized. Set aside money for a car, then becomes simply savings, available for whatever is most important.
It&#039;s interesting how onerous a SL can feel when it really has been just as significant an investment as the purchase of a home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW you can apply for a forbearance (delay repayment) on SLs, but interest accrues. You cannot discharge a SL in bankruptcy, unlike consumer debt.<br />
For you, PaidTwice, the ultimate issue may be how secure your family&#8217;s source of income is. If there were any chance of losing NECESSARY income, I wouldn&#8217;t even consider accelerating the paydown of the SL as (1) that $ is GONE forever, and (2) as others have said-worse case scenario- you can apply for a forbearance until the whole financial scene stabilized. Set aside money for a car, then becomes simply savings, available for whatever is most important.<br />
It&#8217;s interesting how onerous a SL can feel when it really has been just as significant an investment as the purchase of a home!</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno the student loan rules where you are, but in the US you can do a &#039;forebearance&#039; on a loan if you are in financial dire straits. Taking that into account, you should plump up your emergency fund to $2500. If something very desperate happens to you, you have the cash and you can ask for your student loans to be deferred with forebearance. That would be a very good strategy for you.

The car loan is another matter. I think I would still top off your emergency fund and after that, make your car loan a bigger debt priority than student loan debt. Unlike a car, your degree does not depreciate to be less than the value upon graduation. :-)

I hope all is improving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno the student loan rules where you are, but in the US you can do a &#8216;forebearance&#8217; on a loan if you are in financial dire straits. Taking that into account, you should plump up your emergency fund to $2500. If something very desperate happens to you, you have the cash and you can ask for your student loans to be deferred with forebearance. That would be a very good strategy for you.</p>
<p>The car loan is another matter. I think I would still top off your emergency fund and after that, make your car loan a bigger debt priority than student loan debt. Unlike a car, your degree does not depreciate to be less than the value upon graduation. <img src='http://www.paidtwice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope all is improving!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been debating about the new-to-us car, vs school debt. Since my car is still running good I keep thinking that it&#039;s great to run it to the ground and pay high payments into my student loan. I only started paying it in November so I&#039;ve been thinking it might be better to really eliminate my debt, but on the other hand...getting a new car could prove to be reliable and make for less worries. Ah!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been debating about the new-to-us car, vs school debt. Since my car is still running good I keep thinking that it&#8217;s great to run it to the ground and pay high payments into my student loan. I only started paying it in November so I&#8217;ve been thinking it might be better to really eliminate my debt, but on the other hand&#8230;getting a new car could prove to be reliable and make for less worries. Ah!!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a worst-case, SHTF scenario, you can always apply for a forbearance on a student loan - even if you&#039;ve got cash reserves. 

This isn&#039;t going to be a small recession. I know you hate that debt like nothing else, but you need to consider that there could very well be worse things headed our way. 

I really understand how you feel - the student loan is my very last debt, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a worst-case, SHTF scenario, you can always apply for a forbearance on a student loan &#8211; even if you&#8217;ve got cash reserves. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t going to be a small recession. I know you hate that debt like nothing else, but you need to consider that there could very well be worse things headed our way. </p>
<p>I really understand how you feel &#8211; the student loan is my very last debt, too.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think debtheaven has nailed it!</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wrestling with a similar problem. I too have an older student loan -- at a fixed 7.25% interest rate. (I consolidated before the recent spate of interest falls, back when anything below 8% seemed like a huge discount.) I really REALLY want to pay it off and get that debt from around my neck. But I also want to go back and finish my bachelor&#039;s degree (which should take maybe six months of online school) and I also want to save six months of living expenses so I can exit my current job and test-drive my dream of being a full-time self employed writer. I&#039;ve been thinking the best thing may be to split efforts -- take my pool of extra money for the month and divide it evenly between all three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wrestling with a similar problem. I too have an older student loan &#8212; at a fixed 7.25% interest rate. (I consolidated before the recent spate of interest falls, back when anything below 8% seemed like a huge discount.) I really REALLY want to pay it off and get that debt from around my neck. But I also want to go back and finish my bachelor&#8217;s degree (which should take maybe six months of online school) and I also want to save six months of living expenses so I can exit my current job and test-drive my dream of being a full-time self employed writer. I&#8217;ve been thinking the best thing may be to split efforts &#8212; take my pool of extra money for the month and divide it evenly between all three.</p>
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